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New panel to nullify fed laws?

New panel to nullify fed laws?

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PHOENIX -- A new proposal at the Arizona Legislature will take the state's fight with the feds to a whole new level: It would let the state actually nullify federal laws that legislators believe are invalid.

The measure crafted by Sen. Lori Klein, R-Anthem, would set up a committee of 12 lawmakers to review federal laws and regulations to determine which are "outside the scope of the powers delegated by the people to the federal in the United States Constitution."

A majority vote that Congress or a federal agency exceeded its authority would trigger an automatic referral to the Legislature, which would have 60 days to make a final decision. Ratification of the panel's recommendation would mean the state and its residents "shall not recognize or be obligated to live under the statute, mandate or executive order."

But Klein said SB1433 is not challenging the fact that Arizona is part of the United States, at least not exactly.

"We're not seceding," she said. "We're looking at nullifying laws coming from the federal government that are mandates that are not constitutional."

The measure is just one of more than a dozen introduced this session to challenge or limit federal authority. Issues range from requiring federal agencies to register with local sheriffs before coming into a county to declaring the right of Arizonans to have guns, produce carbon dioxide and even create their own nuclear fuel free of federal regulation.


Klein acknowledged her idea, if adopted here and elsewhere, could result in each state deciding which federal laws are enforceable within their own limits. But she said that is necessary -- especially given the current administration.

"We have in Washington a particularly overreaching administration as well as regulations that are coming out of agencies that are not even mandated from Congress," Klein said. "The states have a right to stand up to these kind of onerous regulations."

The bottom line, Klein said, is states' rights.

"We have dual sovereignty," she said.

"Our constitution is on par with the federal Constitution," Klein explained. "But lately, there's been a creep over the last 20 years."

Klein said she's not presuming that Washington will simply accept Arizona's decision to nullify some of its laws and regulations, with any fight likely to wind up in court. But her measure says the only court ruling that Arizona will accept is that of the U.S. Supreme Court.


Sen. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix, said Klein's legislation is based on a flawed premise that state constitutions and statutes are on par with federal law and the U.S. Constitution.

"The idea of nullification is to say that you can have a state statute or constitutional issue that then pre-empts everything above it," she said. "It just doesn't work that way."

Sinema said that doesn't mean Congress or the administration never oversteps its authority. But she said if the state has a problem with a specific law, the proper procedure is for the Legislature to vote to file suit on the specific issue and let the issue work its way through the courts, not to simply declare the federal law null and void.

"And the governor can file suit whenever she wants," Sinema continued. "And she can do it on behalf of the state."


Klein agreed that anyone who believes a federal law or rule is illegal already has the right to challenge it in court. But she said that is a cumbersome process.

"Very few states and individuals actually stand up for their rights when it comes to federal mandates," she said. "We need to look at how the federal mandates are being thrust upon our states."

She specifically singled out "Obamacare," last year's national health care law, and its requirement for individuals to obtain insurance or face a fine. If nothing else, she said, that flies directly in the face of a measure Arizona voters approved just last year providing state constitutional protections against such requirements.

"So it's really incumbent upon us in the states to define and look at Article I, Section 8 of what the purview is of the federal government," Klein said.

That section defines the powers of Congress, ranging from collecting taxes and defending the nation to regulating interstate commerce.

Not all of the mandates that have upset legislators have been unilateral. Klein agreed that Arizona is under certain obligations because it accepts federal money.

For example, Klein complained about the inability of Arizona to cut its Medicaid program. But the state could eliminate all mandates by not taking federal dollars, as was the case before the state joined the Medicaid system in 1982.

Klein said the answer for that would be for the federal government to simply give block grants to Arizona "and let us create our own rules."


Sinema said Klein is mistaken if she believes the nation's high court will side with states in their battles with the federal government.

She also said there is a real solution for Klein and others who don't like what's coming out of Washington.

"Elect new people to Congress," she said.

Other pending legislation seeking to challenge or limit federal authority:

-- SB1308 and HB 2562 setting up interstate compacts to honor each other's birth certificates segregating children who are considered U.S. citizens from those who are not;

-- SB1309 and HB 2561 defining Arizona citizenship, part of the move to deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants;

-- SB1328 saying Arizonans do not have to comply with a federal law or rule if they allow a federal employee or member of Congress not to comply;

-- SB1391 creating an interstate firearms freedoms act guaranteeing the right of citizens to bear arms free of federal regulation;

-- SB1393 declaring the state has exclusive right to regulate carbon dioxide emissions;

-- SB1394 protecting the right to emit carbon dioxide from human-caused activity;

-- SB1545 allowing the production of nuclear fuel in Arizona free from federal regulation;

-- SCR1016 requiring approval from the legislatures of half the states to increase the federal debt;

-- HB2077 requiring any federal agency coming into a county to conduct official business to first register with the sheriff;

-- HB2471 barring the appropriation of any state funds to comply with a federal mandate unless the federal government provides a report to show the mandate is constitutional;

-- HB2472 allowing the state to acquire federal property by eminent domain unless the federal government first got legislative permission to obtain the land in the first place;

-- HB2537 permitting the House speaker and Senate president to sue over or defend last year's SB1070 imposing new state laws on illegal immigration;

-- HB2544 requiring presidential candidates to provide certain proof of citizenship before they can appear on the ballot in Arizona;

-- HCR2015 calling for a constitutional convention to adopt an amendment to require consent of three-fourths of the states to increase federal debt;

-- HCR2022 proposing a constitutional convention to require a balanced federal budget.


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