Hold bars responsible for rowdy customers

2013-02-07T05:00:00Z 2013-02-07T18:19:59Z Hold bars responsible for rowdy customers Arizona Daily Sun
February 07, 2013 5:00 am

Everybody knows Flagstaff has a problem with street alcoholics.

It also has some solutions, too.

But that's not the only alcohol-related issue facing the city. As we reported last week, downtown bars have generated thousands of police responses and arrests over the past three years for assault and disturbing the peace.

Rowdy patrons are turning the downtown and nearby roads into a danger zone and spilling out into adjacent downtown neighborhoods.

We can appreciate that Flagstaff bars have always had a rowdy character -- it's what happens when young adults come together in a kind of mating ritual lubricated by substances that impair judgment, not to mention motor control.

A college town simply has more customers for the bars, and hence there are more bars in Flagstaff than most cities the same size. The goal is usually to contain the rowdiness at a level that the bouncers and bartenders can deal with privately.

Clearly, however, containment isn't working in Flagstaff. The bouncers are outsourcing many of the problem drinkers to the police by throwing them out on the streets. On some nights there are so many of them that they've outnumbered police, and the drunken street fighters have turned their anger on police, with injuries to all parties.


In other words, it's gotten out of hand, and it's time to ask the tough questions: How and why are so many bar patrons able to drink to the point of intoxication -- or at least severely impaired judgment? And who should be held responsible when their behavior gets out of hand?

Prevention seems to be sketchy. The state liquor control officer for the region does periodic inspections, but he is stretched very thin. Police can do walk-throughs that temporarily cool off potential troublemakers.

We suppose the state could hire more inspectors and the city could pull more officers off their beats to walk more frequently through bars. But why should public funds be spent policing customer behavior that should be the responsibility of the private business owner to control?

With the bars apparently unable to control the rowdiness, police and judges need to start throwing the book at repeat offenders. That's what they've done with a handful, banning them from downtown bars.


Should stiffer penalties in general for bars and drinkers be next? That's already been done with drinkers who get behind the wheel -- there are now much steeper fines, automatic jail time and loss of driving privileges for DUI. What about penalties at the point of intoxication, especially if the impairment has been shown to result in violence or behavior that creates a disturbance? Pass a law that makes it a criminal offense to be drunk in public and start taking away the liquor licenses of bars whose patrons are convicted, and we're pretty sure we'd see drink limits and maybe even breathalyzer tests in the bars almost immediately. At the least, we'd support a minimum 72-hour hold on anyone arrested in an impaired condition.

And who should pay for it? The bars might contend they already pay the city an extra 2 percent tax on all sales through the Bed, Board and Beverage levy. And of course, they pay property taxes -- or their landlord does.

But judging by the police responses at just five downtown bars alone, we don't believe the bars are covering anywhere near the expense their customers are imposing on the local criminal justice system as well as the quality of life downtown. If the situation continues, we'd back an even higher tax on liquor by the drink, with proceeds dedicated toward more enforcement.

Nobody's out to put the bars out of business or take away the civil liberties of their patrons. But when a legal product is being abused to the point of endangering public and police safety, unduly burdening taxpayers and harming the quality of life in a part of the city as important as Flagstaff's downtown, business as usual is no longer acceptable. Let's hope the bars have gotten the message and act on it immediately. Otherwise government has a duty to step in, and as we all know, that's not likely to be cheap or as effective as self-policing can be.

Serving this week on the Daily Sun's Editorial Advisory Board were Publisher Don Rowley, Editor Randy Wilson and citizen board members Al White, Joyce R. Browning, John Lauc, Scott Kuhr and Mark Lamberson.

FLAGSTAFF BARS* 2010 - 2012

Calls to police Disorderly Total

for service conduct crime**


Collins Irish Pub 690 128 169

Maloney's Tavern 488 76 98

The Green Room 425 49 120

San Felipe's Cantina 400 84 118

The Mad Italian 191 64 90

Totals 2194 401 595


The Redwood 461 95 131

Museum Club 406 33 59

Totals 867 128 190

*Selected bar data provided by Flagstaff Police Department

**Total crime includes all reports filed for aggravated assault, assault,

disorderly conduct, criminal damage, trespassing, theft and loitering.

Our View: Rowdy patrons are endangering public safety, burdening taxpayers and harming the quality of life in downtown Flagstaff.

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  1. murphy
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    murphy - February 14, 2013 10:36 am
    Taking police "off their beats"...how about this...there's lots of them hiding along 4th St. with their engines idling burnihg gasoline 24/7. Some poor sap gets busted going 35 on a street that should have a limit of 40, with 2 second yellow lights on the flashers also, while the rowdies create mayhem downtown. There's your extra officers...put them to work doing something instead of hiding behing snow piles waiting for someone to come by doing 36!
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