Entitlement mentality creates greedy poor

2012-06-12T05:00:00Z Entitlement mentality creates greedy poor Arizona Daily Sun
June 12, 2012 5:00 am

To the editor:

There are some harmful and wrong ideas that are put forth in trying to advance socialism. One wrong idea is that only the rich are greedy, but the poor are not. The poor can be just as greedy as the rich, only on a much smaller scale.

Where do the "Greedy Rich" come from if not from the "Greedy Poor"? Occupy Wall Street comes from an entitlement mentality. The government owes it to me, and what you have is mine. I fear for our nation that we continually violate the 10th Commandment, "Thou shall not covet your neighbor's house, nor his wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that he has."

One perspective that has not been brought up on spreading of the wealth from the rich to the poor is found in the Bible. Jesus said in Mark 14:7: "You always have the poor with you." Was he not saying, regardless of the economic system, whether it be capitalism, or socialism, you will always have the poor with you?

There is legitimate poverty and illegitimate poverty. Illegitimate poverty can be caused by laziness, lack of motivation, lack of discipline, and so forth. An honorable attitude toward being poor is one in which the poor person is self-motivated and looking hard for a job and working hard on jobs that are available. A dishonorable attitude toward being poor is that the government owes me part of what others have worked for and attained. This dishonorable attitude can be so bad as to lead to revolution.

One of government's obligations is to function to alleviate the unavailability of jobs and work. However, government cannot change wrong attitudes.

DONALD R. GARRETT

Timberline

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(27) Comments

  1. FredsStance
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    FredsStance - June 22, 2012 11:33 am
    I have seen so many people in my work who see SSDI as a lottery ticket. It makes me sick. AHCCCS is some of the very best "cadillac" insurance I have ever seen. My wife and I both work our butts off. ....and I have no idea how I will afford our first baby... I'm sure we'll figure it out. We always have.
    The American dream...more like cheeseburgers in paradise. I agree with the writer, less the religious overtones. There is a difference in being financially poor, and being poor in character
  2. KayGirl
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    KayGirl - June 19, 2012 4:56 pm
    Donald, your simplistic characterization of the legitimate vs. the illegitimate poor is an embarrassing reminder of the us vs. them mentality I held until I stepped out of my sheltered childhood and interacted with people whose lives weren't as easy as mine. Who gets to decide who is lazy or hardworking? You? Is it entitlement when a worker is dissatified earning below a living wage or would like to pay into a single payer healthcare system? Try proving your own worth & leave God out it.
  3. Judy__
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    Judy__ - June 17, 2012 6:57 am
    Where in the Constitution does it say government has to provide jobs and work?? That sounds Pharohnic.

    What if there is no work needed to be done or only work that would create more harm - like building more roads or fighting wars?? What happens when workers aren't needed - or only cheap Latino workers????

    What is to be done with middle class people for whom there will never again be any work or sustenance? Are you really willing to let them die or move into the criminal layers of society???
  4. spiritflows
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    spiritflows - June 16, 2012 10:19 am
    sspsllc said: How is it that the "rich entitled" think they have the right to steal, kill and destroy and expect others that they label beneath them to starve and die to support it?

    And why does the gov have the same mindset and get away with it?

  5. mntngoat
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    mntngoat - June 16, 2012 7:35 am
    Who cares what the Bible or Jesus say? The Judeo-Christian mentality on so many things is the root of alot of ills and probably the death of the planet. The "rich" can keep their oversized homes and whatnot, just stop destroying the planet and assuming we all want the same things.
  6. sspsllc
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    sspsllc - June 15, 2012 2:37 pm
    ...and furthermore ... traditionally, government has supported those who are of the mindset that it is okay to use other people's money to steal, kill and destroy over something that is nothing more than a figment of a warmonger's imagination...

    How is it that the "rich entitled" think they have the right to steal, kill and destroy and expect others that they label beneath them to starve and die to support it?

    A man can't be born without a woman, and the rich don't exist without the poor.
  7. RAGGEDSTEP
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    RAGGEDSTEP - June 15, 2012 10:54 am
    Pagan, I may not be a conservative but I do follow politics and government closely. I see no organized movement of any size or influence trying to install a theocracy. Are you reading something between the lines that's really not there? Let me assure you what the government does or does not do regarding entitlements is a matter of state and not religion. If you disagree, you have as much right as religious people to state your opinions.
  8. PaganArcher
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    PaganArcher - June 14, 2012 6:11 pm
    Flaglifer, I don't tout myself as an "expert". I leave that to the conservatives who re-write history, ignore science, and attempt to install a theocracy because they are so "expert" in everything. I mean, just look how correct they were that Saddam had NBC weapons, right?
  9. Flaglifer
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    Flaglifer - June 14, 2012 1:28 pm
    Pagan, If God or Jesus wants their religion back from me, all they have to do is ask....ME. As far as the rest of your past comment I don't consider you an expert on religion, Christianity, the Bible, History or Anthropology. So your opinion on those topics are no more or less valid than mine since I'm not an expert or educated in any of those topics as well.
  10. PaganArcher
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    PaganArcher - June 14, 2012 6:57 am
    Flaglifer, Jesus did mention taxes. He said render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is Gods. And, you know that Jesus opposed national health care? Wow, so you can read the mind of a god! Good show! But, I do love how many Christians fine-print their own Saviour while using the same Bible to blast others. By the way, Jesus called. He wants his religion back.
  11. Fromthemiddle
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    Fromthemiddle - June 13, 2012 3:08 pm
    Very surprised by the comments as i thought the letter was well thought out and provides and opportunity for dialog smivicus says "America today is a travesty for all, except the 0.1% at the top". Really? As a person who travels a great deal i think America is great, not a travesty. The 1% thing is getting a little old. Please keep in mind that if you drop the "Bush" tax cuts the 1% will pay 38 as opposed to 36% of their income and generate 50b over 10 years. Would that solve your "travesty".


  12. RAGGEDSTEP
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    RAGGEDSTEP - June 13, 2012 11:45 am

    "Return to the times of Eisenhower? Why not. It represents the Great Prosperity and is the best norm we have for what America should be about."

    In a word,fascinating!

    Pagan, What you may have failed to comprehend during your exhaustive study of the Bible is Christian love is unconditional, Christian charity is not. Giving to the poor does not mean supporting a forever lifestyle. That's called enabling. Read more and you will see the difference.

  13. Flaglifer
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    Flaglifer - June 13, 2012 11:13 am
    Pagan thats right Jesus told Christians to take care of the poor and sick...he didn't mention anything about governments collecting taxes and doing it. He never mentioned a universal health care system. He doesn't want people being forced to do it. They as Christians should do it on their own. And many do. There are several Christian organizations helping the poor here and throughout the world...can you say the same of atheiests who want higher taxes to mandate who gets help or not?
  14. PaganArcher
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    PaganArcher - June 12, 2012 8:26 pm
    Jesus also said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to go to heaven. He also commanded Christians to feed the poor and care for the sick. It wasn't a suggestion, it was a direct order from your "commanding officer". If you believe in the Bible, you have to accept the whole thing. It's not a smorgasbrod you get to pick and choose from. Using the Bible to justify anti-poor sentiments is really stretching it.
  15. klw22001
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    klw22001 - June 12, 2012 5:15 pm
    longtimer said: "Wow. What an absolutely stunning lack of humanity. Sure, blame the victim, and make the rich out to be the ones hurt by today's economy."

    I have neighbors who don't work. One just doesn't want to and the other can not hold a job. Both feel that they are being cheated because they don't have health care. I have health care. Worked hard for decades to earn it. So I fail to see why I had to work for mine while these two think it should be a birth right.

  16. smivicus
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    smivicus - June 12, 2012 3:59 pm
    yeah, sure, everybody who hasw a problem has only themselves to blame? Not now. The American worker has been victimized by this economy for 40 years, after working hard in it to make it the most prosperous in the world. America today is a travesty for all, except the 0.1% at the top.

    Return to the times of Eisenhower? Why not. It represents the Great Prosperity and is the best norm we have for what America should be about.
  17. Flaglifer
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    Flaglifer - June 12, 2012 12:56 pm
    So who gets to decide who earns too much and who earns too little? Which of us is that wise? Our founding leaders weren't. Otherwise they would have capped income and created programs to take care of people who refuse to take care of themselves.
  18. Flaglifer
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    Flaglifer - June 12, 2012 12:54 pm
    other countries with little experience in anything but hard work and sacrifice who excell and some natural born citizens who by whatever reason refuse to work hard, save and provide for themselves. Yet they(and others)demand that those who do earn, save and profit take care of them and provide for them like children. Just did a quick search and America gives the most money but is ranked 19th since it gives .20% of its GDP. Question if the rich abuse the poor here why are so many willing to come?
  19. Flaglifer
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    Flaglifer - June 12, 2012 12:47 pm
    Since we are using the Bible lets use a parable. 2 students go to college. One studies hard, doesn't party or make many friends and gets a 4.0. The other doesn't study, parties all the time and is not willing to put forth the effort to get better grades. He/she ends up with a 2.0. Some college dean sees this gross unfairness and demands the 4.0 student give the 2.0 student 1.0 to make everything equal. Now is this fair? Same in life here in America. We have immigrants who move here from CON'T
  20. RAGGEDSTEP
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    RAGGEDSTEP - June 12, 2012 12:26 pm
    It's not that I disagree with the writer, but there is a more insidious danger to the entitlement mentally. It has given people a false sense of security. They believe there will always be a safety net and, if all else fails, we can force the MRP (Magical Rich Person) to save us. Wrong. We must adapt to the realities of today's world. People who hearken back to something in the Eisenhower or Reagan administration, are deluded by nostalgia. "Get out of the new road if ya can't lend a hand." Dylan
  21. spiritflows
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    spiritflows - June 12, 2012 10:53 am
    scout2468 said: "Donald,you don't mention how you feel about the corporate entitlement mentality... they make incredible profits... why so many conservatives despise any type of help for individuals but have no problem at all with giving taxpayer funded handouts to big buisness."

    Record profits, often zero taxes AND record taxpayer bailouts! But why does conservative vs. liberal have to come up. BO has been no different than Bush. Both push the agenda on the table.
  22. smivicus
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    smivicus - June 12, 2012 8:26 am
    After further thought, I'm going to give up and go with the paper's apparent standards for discussion: those who distort the prosperity of the pre-Reagan decades, the time of social democracy and prosperity, must simply be plutocrats and nazis, right?

    This seems the most best way to counter the hogwash being dished out today. After all, what's good for gander is good for the goose, right?

    And I agree with Maher: discuss wifers instead of birthers. Both memes are silly, but apparently the norm
  23. longtimer
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    longtimer - June 12, 2012 7:53 am
    Wow. What an absolutely stunning lack of humanity. Sure, blame the victim, and make the rich out to be the ones hurt by today's economy. Justify hurting the poor, elderly and middle class.
    Meanwhile, mull today's headlines: for most Americans' households, their accumulated wealth fell by almost 8% since 2007. Meanwhile the top .2% of Americans saw their income rise by 212%.
    I am sure THAT is cool in your Bible.
  24. scout2468
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    scout2468 - June 12, 2012 7:51 am
    Donald,you don't mention how you feel about the corporate entitlement mentality. Many large corporations are making record profits but still expect tax breaks and incentives because of what they like to call "uncertainty". One thing that is certain is that they make incredible profits I can't understand why so many conservatives despise any type of help for individuals but have no problem at all with giving taxpayer funded handouts to big buisness.
  25. AlanOr
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    AlanOr - June 12, 2012 7:42 am
    Mr. Garrett, context is everything and your quotation from Mark is very much out of context. When Jesus said "For you shall have the poor always with you" he said it to rebuke his disciples for criticizing the woman who anointed him with expensive oils. He would not have criticized them had they rebuked the woman for hoarding the oils, or selling the oils for useless toys. Jesus simply reminded all of us that there are many ways we can give, and many who are deserving.
  26. smivicus
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    smivicus - June 12, 2012 7:25 am
    So yet again the "socialism" meme gets published...

    Surely we are all "greedy", ever since Adam Smith and Gordon Gecko. But sorry, the Greed of the rich has distorted our Democracy into Socialism for the Powerful. We in the 99% don't want all of their resources, just that which is rightly ours. We, the occupied, want a system that shares prosperity and doesn't steal it. Let's start with progressive taxes, the foundation of prosperity.

    Clearly the writer doesn't understand our common struggle.
  27. Dan Cady
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    Dan Cady - June 12, 2012 5:24 am
    "The poor can be just as greedy as the rich, only on a much smaller scale."

    In a word, fascinating!
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